Monday, February 28, 2011

Bringing Back the Daily Walk

As the coming of spring continues to renew our spirits with sprouting buds, longer days, singing birds, and comfy temperatures, we've automatically - like emerging from hibernation- resumed our daily walks in the park. This is usually a stroll more than a hike, and these don't count towards our mileage goal for the year. But Clover loves them, and it gets us out in the ultra-healing cool evening air. And since are schedules are so crazy during the day, we really only have time to fit it into the evening hours. So, during the winter, it's just too dark and too cold by the time Tim gets home from work and kiddo finishes homework.

We don't blog about these walks often. We typically visit one of two nearby parks, and always where it's most quiet. Our trips usually consists of Clover running Tim around, and me chasing after wildlife to get that one perfect shot - which Clover ruins by bounding through to announce her presence.

"Hey Deers! I'z is HERE!!! Wanna play Catch Clover??" ~ Clover

But there's always something to take a photo of.  See, thing is, because we're there so often, we notice the smallest little changes in the landscape or woodlands. When you become this familiar, nothing can be boring or overly viewed. And you never know what wildlife you'll walk up on. There's a new surprise every time.

And it's a fun, family activity. We all enjoy it. It's our evening "relaxation" time.  This time of the year, we still have to go pretty early so that we have light, and then there's evening chores to do later. But soon enough, we'll have time to complete evening chores, the daylight will soften, the cool breeze will blow, and we'll go for our meditative walk after a hard days work. We'll stroll along the banks of the lake listening to the evening melodic mix of diurnal and crepuscular animals sing their songs. We'll hear the sweet little whinny of screech owls, the rustling of roaming deer, the abundance of croaking from frogs/toads living by the lake, and, to Tim and Ashby's humor, at some point this Spring I'll be startled enormously by the territorial call of the fox. Then we'll come home topping it all off with a cup of coffee on the deck while discussing our day and watching the moon rise over the tree line.


Sunday, February 27, 2011

In the Footsteps of Daniel Boone - (Tri-State Peak Trail - 2/26/2011)

Finally, we are all getting over the nasty head colds we've had over the past couple of weeks. The weather forecast promised 60 degrees and sunny and that meant only one thing. Time to head out. Our destination was Cumberland Gap National Historic Park to hike to the Tri-State Peak trail and as a bonus another chance to walk in the footsteps of Daniel Boone.

Earlier this week, it had rained two inches in two days, so needless to say the creeks were flowing freely and abundantly. From the parking lot to the Iron Furnace in Cumberland Gap, TN we donned our gear (day-packs, cameras, mono-pod, etc.) and it was at this point with my new pack strapped with phone/gps, and two meter radio along with my camera, mono-pod, and a video camera stuffed in a pocket, the girls christened me with a new nickname, "Robo-Tim". At one point along the trail, kiddo says to me, "You may look silly with all your gear, but at least you come prepared".

Speaking of the kiddo, it was nice to have her along with us on a hike for once. You know, cause 14-year-old girls this day and age typically want nothing to do with their parents cause we aren't cool. She actually hiked the trail more energetically, and for almost the whole trail we didn't have to wait for her. In most instances it was the opposite, she was waiting on us. It's all due to her having joined the track team. She's been in conditioning the past few weeks before the season officially begins, and now (according to her) we're old and slow.

First stop on the trail is at the Iron Furnace located just .1 mile in. It was here that the waters were really rushing in cascades down the mountain side, and a couple centuries earlier, this would have meant a high-production day. Several people were out and about at this area. As we ventured .2 miles farther on the graveled path, we reached the Wilderness Road Trail. It was here that we walked in the past steps of Daniel Boone as he led pioneers west into the land of Kaintuk which eventually led to the opening of the Western lands to our pioneers and settlers. The thoughts come to mind as to how much harder it must have been for them to travel than for us. Robin and Ashby calculated that on a typical day, the workers at the Iron Furnace would have carted over 12,500 lbs of material using mules and wagons! Now-a-days, we drive to the trailhead in an air conditioned car, hike a small portion, and head back home again just as easy as we came.

Upon reaching the Saddle of the Gap - .6 miles into the trail - we climbed the hill to our right to get a bird's eye view. Afterwards, we turned onto the Tri-State Peak trail, and the terrain changed dramatically. No longer were we hiking on the soft and graveled Wilderness Road, but rather we now trod on the typical East Tennessee mountain trail; rocky, rooty, and uphill.

Immediately upon starting the 'Peak' trail, on the right is a pyramid shaped monument commemorating Daniel Boone's Trail. Of course this was another prime photographic opportunity to skin elbows capture the nature of man when faced with obstacles historical monuments on the trail. A bit further down the trail is the location of a man-made crater, the result of a purposeful munitions battery explosion. You see the Confederates were closing in on the Yanks and to provide the cover for a getaway, the Union troops blew up their munitions cache. This stopped the Confederates in their tracks for 18 hours, long enough for the North to fall back to safer ground.

Just a little further up the trail on the right is a path leading to the area where Fort Foote once stood. This small detour is only .2 miles and well worth the walk. From here you get a nice sense of the remoteness of the area. Of course, this is if you ignore the road across the small gap that leads up to The Pinnacle. It's a great place for stories, and Robin kept Ashby entertained with her vivid imagination - stories of castles, huuuuuge midgets, and a soldier ghost that pokes you in the ear. We rested here for a few minutes while kiddo initiated a ghost investigation ("If you're here, knock this rock off.") and graphically describe her desire for Popeye's Fried Chicken. It wasn't long after that we were on our way back to the trail and onward to the Peak. Anymore thoughts of cajun fried chicken might have stopped the trek from advancing any further.

Back on the Peak trail, we hiked another ~ .4 miles uphill all the way to the pavilion that marks the crosspoint of TN, KY, and VA. The elevation gain from this point to the peak I would guesstimate to be approximately 300 to 400 feet. Upon arriving at the top Robin promptly laid under the pavilion to claim napping rights in three states at once. How often is it that you can say that you were in three states at one time? The views from up here are quite nice. To the Tennessee side, you can gaze down upon the city of Cumberland Gap. To the Kentucky side, the town of Middlesboro was only slightly obstructed by power lines and haze.  As for the Virginia side, well it's the mountain side from this vantage point.

From the Tri-State peak one can choose to start the Cumberland Trail as this is the northern terminus point. One day, when the Cumberland trail is complete, we will be at this point again ready to begin a 300+ mile trek.

We stayed up at the Peak long enough to enjoy the views, take turns in being in three states at once, eat a snack or two, and for Robin to be struck down with a migraine. She can tell you from experience, the trail is no place for this. Previous to being on a mountaintop, the worst place she'd ever had one was bike riding in Cades Cove.

Shortly after this occurrence, we slowly made our way back down the trail so that we could get Robin home to sleep off the killer headache. Luckily, it was prior to heading back out that I discovered I had lost the mount for the camera to the mono-pod. While this sucked and it wasn't found, it at least was something to look for on the way out that would help keep Robin moving slow and somewhat distracted from the world champion troll bowling competition going on in her cranium. It's amazing how pain can be overcome by distraction when a task is at hand - and the fact that you don't want to be spending the night on a blustery mountaintop without gear.

After making it back out and all was said and done, it was a wonderful hike minus the migraine. We got Robin home where she was able to sleep it off and was back to normal by nightfall. The total distance covered today was 2.88 miles with an overall total elevation gain of 859ft. It was nice to get back out on the trail after taking about 2 weeks off due to illness. Hopefully, for Robin's sake, the next hike will be enjoyable from beginning to the end.

Happy Trails,
Tim and Robin.

P.S. The new day pack worked wonderfully. I will have to write a review on it soon.

To view more photos, check our Flickr Photostream for this hike.

Here is the details of the trail from our Trimble account:

Going Bananas

Okay, so I know this is an Outdoors blog, but we are really missing bananas here. Bananas are THE super fruit. We put them in lunch boxes, throw them in the daypack, mash them in the oatmeal, stick them in our ears, talk to each other on the "banana phone," and even crazy unheard of things like eat them! They fill our bodies with a glorious amount of B6, Vit C, and potassium; and at ~200 calories, they make a yummy low cal, on-the-go snack. They maintain blood pressure, heart health, soothe ulcers, protect eyesight, and build stronger bones. Plus, they're the perfect reason to pretend we really are part-ape!

But lately, I've not found one. single. banana. in any of our local stores! It's been nearly a week (and that's big time for us) that we haven't had bananas on our kitchen fruit stand. Last week's grocery trip turned up zero on the banana scale. They had NONE... not even an overripe one!  This week's grocery trip was the same. They did have some plantains, but if you've ever accidentally tried to eat one of these like a ripe, raw banana - you know, bright yellow sweet goodness - you're in for a big, starchy, bitter surprise.

Tonight, I thought for sure I could score some bananas on our weekly Big Box Mart trip... but alas, all they had were a few bruised and battered, black and brown, tiny little baby bananas that wouldn't even make for a good hamster snack. *insert Miss Coo's frowny face here*

But I hadn't heard anything about a banana shortage. I'd heard there was a strawberry shortage, and we've certainly seen the likes of that (they've been MIA, too!). So as soon as I got the enormous amount of cat and dog food put away, I ran straight to ask my boyfriend (Google!) about a possible banana shortage. Turns out, I couldn't really find that much information on a banana shortage. All I seen was the Cyclone Yasi had destroyed three-quarters of the Australian banana crops back at the beginning of February. But Australia isn't even listed in the top 10 banana producing countries according to Wikipedia.

So, I'm confused. I thought maybe - just maybe - I actually do live under a rock and something major happened to the world supply of bananas. But unless the U.S. only imports bananas from Australia (and I know this isn't true) then we should have SOME bananas. Right?

So... What am I missing??

I tell you what. The first person to help me solve the Mystery of the Missing Bananas wins... A BANANA... when I find one. No promises it'll be edible upon arrival. :-)

Saturday, February 26, 2011

Outdoor Gear (Etc.) Giveaways are Abound

There's several good giveaways going on in the outdoors realm of the blogosphere. Here are a few that might whet your whistle.

Steven over at My Life Outdoors is giving away a copy of Francis Tapon's Hike Your Own Hike. To enter the giveaway, head over to his blog and leave a comment on the post about the give away. For additionally entries, post a link to the giveaway post on your blog or website, share the blog post on Facebook, after liking his Facebook page of course, and retweet his tweet about the giveaway on Twitter, once again after following of course. Steven gave an excellent review on the book just the day before announcing the give away so if you'd like a better idea of what the book is about, check out that post as well. Be sure you do this before midnight central time on Wednesday March 10, as that is the last day to enter.

Brian of Brian's Backpacking blog is giving away a Kupilka 21 cup. The last day to enter for this one is Monday February 28th, before midnight, which also happens to be his birthday. ~ Happy Early Birthday Brian! Like Steven's giveaway, there's a chance for extra entries. After the initial comment for entry, you can also post the link to the giveaway post on your blog or website, share on Facebook, and retweet on Twitter.

Finally, Gear Talk with Jason Klass is giving away a Gobspark Armageddon Firesteel. The winners will be drawn at random on Sunday, February, 27th at 5 PM MST. So be sure to leave a comment on his giveaway post. Unfortunately, there are no extra entries for this one. If you want to know more about this firesteel check out Jason's review and video.

That's all we've got for now. If you know of any other good outdoor gear giveaway opportunities, let us know.

Happy Trails,
Tim and Robin

Thursday, February 24, 2011

Winter Clearance

It's a few days since we posted anything. Considering we haven't done much I guess that's to be expected. We've all just about gotten over our colds, so that's a step in the right direction. Hopefully this weekend we won't have to play taxi and be able to get out and about.

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Happy Trails,
Tim and Robin

Sunday, February 20, 2011

Springtime Gets Nearer

Round 'cheer', in East Tennessee, you know spring is right round the corner. You see the obvious signs such as robins out in the yard in force, and the temps never getting below 50 degrees. Then you start to notice the not so obvious. Today was the first day I noticed the not so obvious, unless you know to look for them. That's right I found quite the nice purple patch of Crocus flowers beside our house today.

For more on the Crocus flower check the wiki link.

Happy Trails,
Tim and Robin

Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Holed Up with a Border Collie

Character List:
Clover Beene - The Energizer Border Collie
Doddy-Mans - The greatest daddy a pup could have and marveled over by Clover Beene.
Mommy-Mans - The woman who means business. You do what she says cause she buys the treats.
Sissy-Mans - Sometimes playful, mostly busy, always good for a car trip excuse.
Kitties - Very lazy, Fun to chase, Not so much fun when get chased back.

Act 1
Doddy-mans is lying on the couch - sick. Mommy-mans is on the computer with her pal, Photoshop. Sissy-mans has turned in early - also feeling bad.

Enter stage left: Clover Beene begins the ultimate stare down with Mommy-Mans

What do you want Clover?

Clover Beene noses a squeaky toy.

Mommy is busy. We just finished playing for half an hour!

Clover Beene drops the toy, approaches Mommy-Mans and proceeds to nose her hand off the mouse multiple times.

: Okay, get your toy. I'll throw it.

Clover Beene sits down and begins staring contest again. Mommy-Mans reaches down for the toy. Clover Beene snags up the toy and runs away. Mommy-Mans climbs up from halfway into the floor back into her chair. Clover Beene reappears, without the toy, and begins to nose her hand away from the mouse and paw at her arm.

This is an on-going thing. Everyday. This is what it's like living with a border collie. If she's not insisting that I play, she's insisting that Tim does. And we play with her... a lot! But it's never enough. It's also much worse when we're all feeling bad.

As luck would have it (at least ours), Tim has re-caught the cold he had last week, Ashby is complaining of a sore throat again, and I will forever deny that my immune system is anything but superhuman. So, since we've all been tired, cranky, and under-the-weather this week, we haven't been able to get out as much as we would have liked. Miss Clover Beene certainly hasn't appreciated it much, either.

I did manage to get her to the park yesterday evening for some exercise. I let her go wireless since no one was around. She had a ton of fun running and sniffing, and I got a little practice in with my new camera.  She tolerated me resting on a bench for about 30 seconds before she decided it was time to play "Chase Clover" some more. We stayed out long enough to watch the sunset before heading in out of the quickly cooling evening temperatures.

Tim and I teamed up this evening and took her out to play again. True to her border collie nature, she's a ball of energy almost all the time, and that's a hefty task to deal with when you feel bad. She just doesn't understand the concept of "rest and relax." It's playtime all the time except between the hours of 10pm and 7am when she sleeps and the occasional moments you can charm her with belly rubs to lie still in the floor.

But you know? We wouldn't trade her for the world. She's the most loving dog, and so very smart. Sure she has her quirks, but she also has a huge vocabulary and is full of kisses. She's definitely not the type of dog for everyone, but she does keep us active. And we love her so very much!

Monday, February 14, 2011

My Perfect Trailmate

I've never been one to believe a person can have a soulmate. I don't believe in destiny or fate. I don't believe in love at first sight. I don't believe that the stars were aligned just so to provide me the closeness I have with that one, special individual.

I, on the contrary, believe in consequence, deliberateness, coincidence, and the hand of God. I believe in balance and perfect compliments.

Before Tim came into my life, I was a lone hiker. I traveled the trails with me, myself, and I - and I was very reluctant to change that. Sure, I would occasionally hike with other people, but they just didn't compliment my style. They either hiked too fast, too slow, didn't care to "stop and smell the roses," or I would find them far behind me taking another break. I liked being alone on the trail to listen to my inside voice, to let my soul touch nature, to see the face of God and watch it smile back at me. Now, I can't picture myself on the trail without Tim there.

Tim and I have very different personality types. We're not the couple where one is finishing the other's sentence. In fact, that's one of my biggest pet peeves! He's outgoing - I'm restrained. He likes attention, and I shy away from it like it's the plague. He's optimistic - I'm the pessimist. He's relaxed and patient, while I'm hot-headed and in a constant state of hyper-awareness. I'm the practical one, though. He likes to take (in my opinion - unnecessary) risks. I'm the morning person - he'd rather sleep till noon. He's concrete; I'm abstract. He's the go-getter, and I'm the daydreamer. He even likes mayonnaise (EWWW!).

But even though we are practically polar opposites, he is my perfect compliment. And if there ever were such a thing, he's my perfect trailmate. When we're out there, that is when the balance between us becomes so skewed. We are no longer two different people walking one path. We are one. We share the same thoughts without speaking, photograph the same eye-catcher without knowing, we communicate through looks, glances, and nods of the head. We both tread softly, we walk at the same pace, we even need breaks at the same time even though our physical conditions are also comparable to night and day.

Never before could I have imagined that I would have found someone exactly like me on the trail. I am so thankful that I don't have to keep company with myself anymore.

Happy Valentine's Day, Love. 

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Sunday, February 13, 2011

He heals the brokenhearted...

We just wanted to stop by for a moment to offer our apologies for a lack of posts in the past few days.  A very special lady and member of our family passed into heaven last Thursday. It is a trying time and we will all miss her, but we know that she has gone before us to a much better place. I can imagine her now standing in the presence of our Lord, no more pain - no more suffering.

We ask that if you could, take a moment to pray for the comfort of the Stanford and Wyrick families.

Thursday, February 10, 2011

Stinging Fork Falls - For the Archives

Posting for archival purposes. This was our first and only featured trail from our now extinct Featured Trails page.

For the first trail highlight, I'd like to bring to your attention the many State Natural Areas across East Tennessee. That's right, trails aren't just in National or State Parks. There are other wilderness areas that have some of the most beautiful scenery, flora, fauna, you name it.

If you love waterfalls, then the Cumberland Plateau is the place for you. Of course the Smokies, Big South Fork, and many other parks in our area have some wonderful waterfalls in their own right. However, This past spring we traveled to a couple State Natural Areas on the Cumberland Plateau that featured some waterfalls that were to die for. These trails are very lightly traveled on most days. The one to highlight today is Stinging Fork Falls.

Stinging Fork Falls State Natural Area is located west of Spring City. Access to the natural area is via Highway 68. In Spring City turn onto Shut-In Gap Road and proceed five miles to the parking area on the right. The trail itself is only about a mile to the falls from the trail head. When you first start the trail it is nice and mostly flat and the terrain is pretty easy going. There is a little spur trail to a wonderful overlook of Stinging Fork Creek and the gorge it traverses through just before the trail descends into the gorge.

Upon leaving the Indian Head Point overlook and back to the trail its all downhill from there. The downhill is slightly challenging with stairs, rocks, and plenty of roots to walk over. In the late winter or early spring, there is a good chance of snow and/or ice being on the trail. Be sure to use caution and take it slow, especially on the stairs and points just off the stairs.

Once you get to the bottom of the gorge, the terrain softens and the space opens up a bit as you meander along the trail towards the creek. Along side the creek, there are several places to pull of the trail and take a gander at the flowing waters of the Stinging Fork Creek. There is one place in particular that would make for a great spot to picnic or let the kids play.

When you are done playing and/or picnicking, onward to the falls. From this spot the falls aren't very far. You can especially tell as you can hear it from this point. While I'm not certain the exact distance, I would guesstimate the falls to be a half mile or less. Of course the trail stays along the creek side and as you venture closer, the terrain become rooty and rocky once again.

Finally, the treasure of the trail shows itself and the reward is well worth the trip. Stinging Fork Falls is a 30' cascade water fall that is fed by the Stinging Fork Creek. Upon leaving the falls the waters, as you have realized by this point continue to travel down stream through chutes and cascade over boulders as it winds itself through the Stinging Fork Gorge.

Total trip distance is roughly 2 miles out and back. Total elevation loss/gain +/- 300ft. One other note of interest, there are plans already to have this trail connected with the Cumberland Trail.  You can get more information and maps at the Cumberland Trail Conference website for the Stinging Fork Falls trail.

Happy Trails.

Wednesday, February 9, 2011

Goodbye Featured Trails

In case you hadn't noticed, we haven't updated the Featured Trails page in quite some time. As a matter of fact, we've only featured one trail and have yet to feature any others. Not that the great state of Tennessee and it's abundance of trails shouldn't be featured, it's just that we've been busy with all the other parts of the blog that we just haven't been giving it much attention. We do a post on pretty much every trail we hike so we've been kicking around the idea of removing the Featured Trails page entirely. After discussing it with Robin, we've both decided that it would be best to remove it from the blog so that we don't take away from the uniqueness of the Featured Destinations or Featured Parks pages. This will also alleviate us from the pressure of trying to update 3 different pages to keep the material fresh.

So without further ado, the featured trails page is no longer on the site. We will post the one featured trail to the regular blog just so we still have it in the archives and anyone wanting to find information on Stinging Fork Falls it will still be here. Don't worry, every trail we hike get's featured in our hiking report posts here on the blog so be sure to check back frequently for new trails or review of trails visited before.

Happy Trails,
Tim and Robin

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Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Exploring Maude's Crack - 02/06/11

This past weekend seemed to fly by. I don't know where time went, but we spent most of Saturday trying to get caught up on some necessary evils (aka chores). We did get a small walk in at the park around sunset, and a longer one hunting food items at the grocery store. Saturday was pretty gloomy anyway, and the wind was crazy! Sunday promised clearer skies and nothing more than a whisper of wind, so we were bound and determined to utilize our Sunday time playing outside.

Before I go any further, let me explain that the roles are reversed here a little. Tim usually writes these trail posts, and I usually tote the camera around hoping to capture a cute little something to add to his words. This time, he's taken all the photos, and I get to be the post-writing queen. So let me apologize in advance for the less-than-technical trail post, and the likely ensuing bathroom humor.

See, Tim has been the epitome of wonderful husbands, and has purchased me a brand new appendage --- err... camera! So, even though the Present Truck hasn't brought my new baby yet, I've passed down my other baby to him. He's very interested in learning at least the basics. I can't wait to see what he comes up with. I'll still help him with post-production (it takes a while to learn the ins and outs of Photoshop), but I'm sure he'll pick up quick.

Anyway - back to the trip....

Sunday morning, I crawled out of bed long after Tim had. I stumbled into the kitchen hoping to find an all-you-can-eat breakfast buffet, but was greeted only by hot coffee. At least it was hot, right?! Things can always be worse.

It was already after eleven, I was feeling a bit more than sluggish, and one glance at Tim told me he was feeling the same: like poo! We've both been trying to convince ourselves (and each other) that we hadn't contracted Ashby's recent cold -- Mind over Mountain, yes?! -- and so I posed the inevitable question...

"Did you decide where we should go today?"

His response, "I was thinking about Maude's Crack."

Hilarity followed. Tim had only mentioned Maude's Crack to me once before, and I couldn't help but laugh hysterically then. This time, I thought it fit our situation (and the way we felt!) just perfectly. That's exactly where we belonged: in Maude's Crack.

Maude's Crack is a geological wonder, a large crevice in sandstone, situated on the backend of the western boundary of BSFNRA, right near the banks of No Business Creek.

And I am not joking. I can't make this crap up!

Now, to locate Maude's Crack you'll need a car that is preferably not a recently washed tiny little Nissan Versa. But if that's all you've got, then you'll have to swallow your pride and drive that baby for a long, long way down the bumpy, rutty, washed out, muddy, two-way but single lane Divide Road. Did I mention it was a long way? It took us nearly 30 minutes to drive to the trailhead once we left the paved road going a maximum of 25 mph. After finally reaching the Terry Cemetery Trailhead parking area, Maude's Crack is a short, easy 1.2 miles away. The trail is relatively level - a couple small elevation losses and gains - and was wide enough most of the way for us to walk side-by-side.

Maude's Crack, however, is steep, rugged, and extremely muddy this time of year. Definitely not the place this girl wanted to be feeling cruddy and crusty already, but Tim ventured inside Maude's Crack while Clover and I waited at the opening. Clover took time away from "bear watch" to sniff all around Maude's Crack while I rested against the moss-covered walls. Upon return, Tim reported that Maude's Crack was the prettiest he'd ever seen, and that it opened up quite nicely on the other side. My stomach still hurts from giggling at every insinuation that crept inside this silly head of mine.

Even though we felt terrible and the trip to the trailhead took a whole heckuva lot longer than we expected, we had a great time on this short little trail. Hopefully soon we can return and continue the length of the trail down to the creek and the ruins of the old community, No Business.

Until next time,

Robin and Tim